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PostSubject: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:40 pm

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Deron Williams vs. Chris Paul has always been a giant argument on who's better...now that both are healthy this year, who do you think has been doing better?

D-Will: 22.7 PPG, 9.8 APG, 4.0 RPG, 3.3 TPG, 1.4 SPG shooting 48/34/86
CP3: 15.8 PPG, 10.4 APG, 4.4 RPG, 2.5 TPG, 3.2 SPG shooting 49/47/91

Utah Jazz: 17-8, 1st in the division, 4th in the West
New Orleans Hornets: 14-8, 3rd in the division*, 6th in the West
*The Hornets' division is super beast

Head-to-head:
D-Will vs. CP3: 9-18 (50%) FG, 4-5 (80%) 3P, 4-4 (100%) FT. 26 points, 11 assists, 3 rebounds, 5 turnovers, 5 steals

CP3 vs. D-Will: 4-8 (50%) FG, 1-3 (33%) 3P, 8-8 (100%) FT. 17 points, 9 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 turnover, 5 steals

Utah won 105-87

Hopefully this turns into a heated argument with many swears and death threats.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:12 pm

He changed his mind so quickly...

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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:22 pm

Gimme dat money! wrote:
4 days ago u said deron williams :/

Chris Paul has the edge now that I know more facts.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:02 pm

Which facts?
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:19 pm

Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:18 am

King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

BS.

That is not a fact.

They're pretty even as a team to Utah.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:14 am

King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:15 am

King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.


Fact does not include opinion.
Fact Cant be countered while opinion can.

I can say well nope,DW team is so worse..(Witch I don't,Read the earlier posts,I'm for CP3)


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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:15 am

No Longer DEAD wrote:
King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.

Retard, Deron Williams has a much better supporting cast than Chris Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:28 am

King wrote:
No Longer DEAD wrote:
King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.

Retard, Deron Williams has a much better supporting cast than Chris Paul.


You do not know how to argue!ARE YOU 5..you always lose..

You never give facts..and than when you lost..you have a statement like that..So annoying.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:42 am

John wrote:
King wrote:
No Longer DEAD wrote:
King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.

Retard, Deron Williams has a much better supporting cast than Chris Paul.


You do not know how to argue!ARE YOU 5..you always lose..

You never give facts..and than when you lost..you have a statement like that..So annoying.

Deron Williams has a defensive specialist Guard, versatile Forward, Underrated Forward, Great post Center.

What does Paul ha
ve?
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:59 am

Khai explained everything....so it's yours to accept or decline
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:37 pm

King wrote:
John wrote:
King wrote:
No Longer DEAD wrote:
King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.

Retard, Deron Williams has a much better supporting cast than Chris Paul.


You do not know how to argue!ARE YOU 5..you always lose..

You never give facts..and than when you lost..you have a statement like that..So annoying.

Deron Williams has a defensive specialist Guard, versatile Forward, Underrated Forward, Great post Center.

What does Paul ha
ve?
... good shooters at the wings and good big men down low... what a star PG needs...

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SG Aaron Afflalo
PG Ramon Sessions
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7. G Norris Cole
8. G/F Xavier Henry
9. C Omar Asik
10. C Hamed Haddidi
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12. G Darius Morris
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:47 pm

cbi wrote:
King wrote:
John wrote:
King wrote:
No Longer DEAD wrote:
King wrote:
Magic wrote:
Which facts?

That Chris Paul does more with less.

Utah SG = Raja Bell
NO SG = Marco Bellinelli

Bellinelli has had a nice shooting season thus far, and his defense has improved, but Raja Bell is like a much more defensive minded Bellinelli. And defense wins championships. And stuff.

Advantage: Bell.

Utah SF = Andrei Kirilenko.
New Orleans SF = Trevor Ariza.

These players are extremely similar, in that both are defensive minded players but can also contribute offensively. Kirilenko has a better shooting touch, but Ariza is more explosive.

Advantage: tie.

Utah PF = Paul Millsap.
New Orleans PF = David West.

Pretty much the same exact person. West = 19 PPG, 7 RPG, 2 APG. Millsap = 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG. Basically like comparing Visa and MLK Jr. Both are extremely influential on America today.

Advantage: tie.

Utah C = Al Jefferson
New Orleans C = Emeka Okafor.

Pretty much two completely different people. Jefferson = 16 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.7 APG. Okafor = 11 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG. Jefferson isn't an offensive player from the stone age like Okafor is, but on the other hand, Jefferson is like a stone on defense.

Advantage: Jefferson by a tiny bit because he's so much more offensively developed than Okafor. Is that even a word?

So basically, your only credible argument for CP3 being better than D-Will (besides stats, accomplishments, etc.) is that Deron has arguably the best coach in the game and CP3 has to put up with goddamn Monty Williams.

Retard, Deron Williams has a much better supporting cast than Chris Paul.


You do not know how to argue!ARE YOU 5..you always lose..

You never give facts..and than when you lost..you have a statement like that..So annoying.

Deron Williams has a defensive specialist Guard, versatile Forward, Underrated Forward, Great post Center.

What does Paul ha
ve?
... good shooters at the wings and good big men down low... what a star PG needs...

Chris Paul never had that, yet in 2008 made his team second best in the West, while Williams has better role players.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:11 pm

he had mo pete,peja,west,and tha pargo guy (he was sick)they were straight raw in 08 ( in shooting the ball terms) and tyson was a beast back then not taking anything away from paul tho because that team wasnt THAT good.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:05 pm

Gimme dat money! wrote:
he had mo pete,peja,west,and tha pargo guy (he was sick)they were straight raw in 08 ( in shooting the ball terms) and tyson was a beast back then not taking anything away from paul tho because that team wasnt THAT good.

Where are those players at today? Chris Paul made all of them better than they originally were, you cannot argue that fact. Chandler was a solid Center then, and now he's just trade-bait. He is not as good now because CP3 made him better.
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:07 pm

It was a mutual thing..cp3 made them better and on the real..they made cp3 better
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:15 pm

Gimme dat money! wrote:
It was a mutual thing..cp3 made them better and on the real..they made cp3 better

Retard, hell no

Once again, where are those players at today?

Barely bench-wort
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:20 pm

cp3 was alot better in 08..period....so obviously it was mutual..fucktard (thats my word Neutral )
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:24 pm

Gimme dat money! wrote:
cp3 was alot better in 08..period....so obviously it was mutual..fucktard (thats my word Neutral )

Chris Paul was better in 2008? No, son.

Led his team to a 10-0 start with no solid #2

None of the players on his roster are championship-material, s
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:32 pm

King wrote:
Gimme dat money! wrote:
cp3 was alot better in 08..period....so obviously it was mutual..fucktard (thats my word Neutral )

Chris Paul was better in 2008? No, son.

Led his team to a 10-0 start with no solid #2

None of the players on his roster are championship-material, s
on.
thats why there not going to the championship,son. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:50 pm

Gimme dat money! wrote:
King wrote:
Gimme dat money! wrote:
cp3 was alot better in 08..period....so obviously it was mutual..fucktard (thats my word Neutral )

Chris Paul was better in 2008? No, son.

Led his team to a 10-0 start with no solid #2

None of the players on his roster are championship-material, s
on.
thats why there not going to the championship,son. Neutral

Not with the role players around him, son.

That is why Chris Paul is heading for New York by 2.20
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PostSubject: Re: Deron Williams-Chris Paul argument   Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:53 pm

agreed,son
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